Aletta: Once or twice a week, depending on how much time I had available. The games were played on Saturdays. Other than that, you focused entirely on your watches after you resigned from ING? Aletta: yes, it was sometimes quite stressful at first, especially when we urgently needed to complete something. There was so much to do! We had to collaborate with our Swiss partners. I recall several hectic periods. But there were also quieter weeks. We primarily acquired new customers and new orders at trade fairs, first in Hong Kong and then in Basel starting in 1995. We also traveled to Dubai once with a delegation from Hong Kong. We as Dutch people weren't supposed to be part of the entourage, but everything had already been organized so we simply boarded the plane and flew. We stayed at a lovely hotel in Dubai No Fields Found.